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UC Santa Barbara is one of six campuses that have transfer admission guarantee programs. UC is facing calls to create a more streamlined, systemwide guarantee for transfers.

To fix what critics say is a confusing and discouraging system, the University of California is under pressure to create a new admissions guarantee program for community college transfer students.

Currently, six of UC’s nine undergraduate campuses have transfer admission guarantee programs, which smooth the path from a community college to UC if students take the right courses. But each campus has different course and grade requirements for those programs, and the guarantees are limited to certain majors. Three of UC’s most competitive campuses — Berkeley, Los Angeles and San Diego — don’t have any guaranteed admission programs at all.

The Campaign for College Opportunity, a college access group that has often sponsored major legislation related to transfers, says it’s time for a more streamlined and student-friendly process that would guarantee transfer students a spot in the UC system if they meet certain criteria.

It’s especially important, proponents say, because only a small fraction of students who intend to transfer are successful. And with enrollment down significantly at the community colleges in recent years, creating simpler paths to a four-year university could help keep students on track toward their degrees.

A key lawmaker, Assemblymember Marc Berman, also told EdSource that a systemwide admissions guarantee for transfer students should be strongly considered.

The calls also come as a new formal statewide committee, the Associate Degree for Transfer Intersegmental Implementation Committee, is expected to soon convene for its first meeting. Established by Assembly Bill 928, a bill signed last year by Gov. Gavin Newsom, the committee’s charge includes making recommendations by the end of next year to the Legislature for improving the transfer process.

“I don’t want to get ahead of the work of this important committee, but I do think the committee should have a serious conversation about establishing a UC systemwide guarantee, and I look forward to following that discussion,” said Berman, who is also chair of the state Assembly’s Select Committee on the Master Plan for Higher Education in California.

UC officials, though, so far are resisting making changes to their admissions guarantees. They maintain that the existing programs at six campuses function well because students can get a guaranteed spot somewhere in the system. Students are also encouraged to apply to the other three campuses without the guarantees and many do get accepted, they note. About 39,000 students applied to transfer last year, about a third through guarantee programs.

The discussion of a possible new guarantee follows the release of the final report by a task force convened by the UC president’s office and the community college system’s central chancellor’s office. The task force was launched in 2020 to make recommendations to strengthen the transfer pipeline.

The report says UC should increase the number of community college transfers, but it lacks many new ideas for how UC should accomplish that. Some recommendations, such as instituting common course number among community colleges and streamlining lower-division general education requirements, are changes already underway because of new laws.

A spokesperson for the Campaign for College Opportunity criticized the report for the “lack of action” in its suggestions and for not mentioning a systemwide guarantee.

Jessie Ryan, executive vice president of the campaign, said in an interview that such a guarantee could be modeled after the Associate Degree for Transfer program that offers community college students a guaranteed spot at California State University, the state’s other four-year university system. The main difference, Ryan said, would be a higher GPA threshold at UC. CSU has a minimum GPA requirement of 2.0 for transfers. UC’s current GPA requirement for regular non-guaranteed transfers is 2.4. The GPA thresholds for UC’s guarantee programs are typically higher, ranging from 2.7 to 3.5, depending on the campus and major.

“We know that systemwide guarantees work,” Ryan said. “Why not say we are going to honor the Associate Degree for Transfer at the UC, and that transfer guarantee will provide system admission with the requirement of a higher GPA?”

‘Lingering frustration’

Marisol Cuellar-Mejia, a research fellow at the Public Policy Institute of California’s Higher Education Center, said community college students seeking to transfer face a difficult task early on. To guarantee a UC spot, they must quickly choose their major and desired campus. That can be confusing to potential transfers because the lists of required lower-division classes and those needed for majors vary significantly depending on the campus and program, she said.

That problem could be solved partly by AB 928, which requires CSU and UC to create a joint lower-division general education pathway that will satisfy admission requirements across both systems.

But the law doesn’t address the variation in the additional classes for preparation in various majors.

That’s an issue that has become evident to Bill Scroggins, president of Mt. San Antonio College in Los Angeles County. A student majoring in biology, for example, is required to take calculus to be admitted to UC Davis but not to get into Irvine. At the same time, Irvine does require organic chemistry while Davis does not.

To be eligible for transfer, students need to take either 60 semester-based units or 90 quarter-based units, including general education courses and classes specific to their major. But often, “students are taking extra courses to try to qualify for their major, depending on which institution they’re going to,” said Scroggins, who leads a campus that has a highly successful transfer rate.

Simplifying the transfer process is crucial because most California community college students who intend to transfer aren’t successful in doing so. Just 19% of students who intend to transfer do so within four years and only 28% do so within six years, according to a 2020 PPIC report.

Assemblymember Kevin McCarty, D-Sacramento, acknowledged in an interview that it’s “way too hard” for students to transfer successfully.

“It is too complicated,” said McCarty, who chairs the Assembly’s budget subcommittee on education finance. “It seems like we’ve been writing bills after bills.” The UC regents and CSU trustees keep working on this too, he added. “But it’s still not seamless. And so I think that there is a lingering frustration.”

Guaranteed admission?

UC officials say that a new initiative, called Pathways+, will help make the transfer process smoother. Similar to the community college system’s guided pathways programs, the Pathways+ program helps students map out the courses they need to best prepare for their major.

But while Pathways+ attempts to make the process clearer, students who participate in it are asked to complete one of the existing campus-level transfer admission guarantees programs.

The initiative was launched in 2019, and the first participants enrolled at UC just this past fall. UC “doesn’t have a lot of data yet” about the success of Pathways+, but the program “looks promising,” said Yvette Gullatt, UC’s vice president for graduate and undergraduate affairs. In fall 2021, 13,031 students applied to a UC campus with a transfer admission guarantee, up from 8,187 in 2017. About 99% of those students were accepted and 82% of them enrolled somewhere in the UC system.

Overall, 38,917 community college transfers applied for UC admission in fall 2021. Just over 28,000 were accepted and 20,159 of those students enrolled.

Gullatt added that because the Pathways+ initiative requires students to complete a transfer admission guarantee, it essentially functions as a system guarantee. Another UC spokesman said it would be premature to consider any changes to it.

Hans Johnson, a senior fellow at PPIC’s Higher Education Center, called those transfer admission guarantee programs a step in the right direction, saying they provide clarity to students who know early in their college journey which campus and major to pursue. But he added that there are shortcomings.

“One limitation is students often have two or three colleges that they might be interested in,” he said. “It doesn’t really respond to the systemwide consistency that we’d like to see.”

One possible roadblock to a more streamlined and wider transfer admissions guarantee is that the Berkeley, UCLA and San Diego campuses are already overcrowded and in high demand among both freshman and transfer applicants.

The CSU system already has experienced that. Under CSU’s Associate Degree for Transfer program, community college transfers who don’t get into their preferred campus are redirected and admitted to another.

UC’s Gullatt said that having admissions guarantees at those three crowded campuses “wouldn’t necessarily be a service to students” because the admissions standards would be very high.

“Whether those campuses might see possibilities for a guarantee is always something we want to discuss with them. But students have a guarantee to the majority of UC undergraduate campuses, all of which are world-class campuses,” she added.

The issue could soon be taken up by the new Intersegmental Implementation Committee. Its first meeting this fall has yet to be scheduled, said Ryan, one of the 16 members. When it convenes, she said it will re-examine UC’s role in the Associate Degree for Transfer program “and how we can leverage this proven pathway to ensure a wider menu of guaranteed transfer options.”

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  1. el 2 months ago2 months ago

    Having a guaranteed transfer for students will have value even if the GPA cutoff for the guarantee is high. Then, have a second band of competitive admissions. The guaranteed band will give students a clear pathway, and the students who attempted it but fell short on GPA will also be better for having followed a clear plan. In general, the community colleges lack the sophomore level intro classes for the STEM majors, and some of them … Read More

    Having a guaranteed transfer for students will have value even if the GPA cutoff for the guarantee is high. Then, have a second band of competitive admissions. The guaranteed band will give students a clear pathway, and the students who attempted it but fell short on GPA will also be better for having followed a clear plan.

    In general, the community colleges lack the sophomore level intro classes for the STEM majors, and some of them divide the freshman STEM classes into more semesters. Some students may benefit from the extra time to get through a topic, and that’s reasonable as an alternate path, but I’d hesitate to recommend a STEM-focused student take the community college route. There is less chance to explore and understand different fields of study, and the CSU system may potentially be more affordable and provide better support for those students.

    What I also noticed on the CC-CSU pathway is that the CSU side does not publish a sample course schedule for transfer students the same way they do for freshmen. I think this would be an important and valuable exercise if supporting these students is important to us. I’m sure that individual transfer students get counseled with a set of classes to take, but I suspect if the 2 year completion schedule had to be discussed and published at the department level, the issues of expecting transfer students to take three or four of the hardest classes in the major simultaneously as they arrive at a new school will be more apparent.

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    • MG 2 months ago2 months ago

      Your comments show a lack of understanding about the system. When you say: ...."community colleges lack the sophomore level intro classes for the STEM majors," what do you mean? Community colleges offer hundreds of classes that are the foundation for STEM, and students can take those classes that are articulated, at the community colleges to satisfy the requirements for any 4 year university. They also have the opportunity to participate in internships or research … Read More

      Your comments show a lack of understanding about the system.

      When you say: ….”community colleges lack the sophomore level intro classes for the STEM majors,” what do you mean? Community colleges offer hundreds of classes that are the foundation for STEM, and students can take those classes that are articulated, at the community colleges to satisfy the requirements for any 4 year university. They also have the opportunity to participate in internships or research opportunities if the college has MESA or SACNAS.

      You also say: “Some of them divide the freshman STEM classes into more semesters,” what could you list an example? I have never seem anything like that.

  2. Lisa 2 months ago2 months ago

    It’s sad and frankly shocking to think that this process isn’t already streamlined, clear and transparent for all community college students seeking to transfer to a CSU or a UC. General elective and required courses for transfer should all be applicable and there shouldn’t be roadblocks along the way that result in students spending more than the estimated two years to complete courses to transfer. If we say we are the premier college system in … Read More

    It’s sad and frankly shocking to think that this process isn’t already streamlined, clear and transparent for all community college students seeking to transfer to a CSU or a UC. General elective and required courses for transfer should all be applicable and there shouldn’t be roadblocks along the way that result in students spending more than the estimated two years to complete courses to transfer.

    If we say we are the premier college system in the country then take action now to help CA young people not down the road. These committees and structure and a pathway plan should have been developed and in place many, many years ago.

  3. Cindy Friday Beeman 2 months ago2 months ago

    Add to that more sections for courses at the community college level and you’ve got a winning idea! My son is on year 3 of trying to have all the required units needed to move to UC Davis. Sections dropped, offered at odd times, counseling misinformation about courses that weren’t required after all, I could go on and on. The hard part about becoming a chemical engineer should be the coursework, not getting the classes in a timely fashion.

  4. Maureen Scharberg 2 months ago2 months ago

    It is interesting that now, almost 7 years after SB 1440 (ADT for the CSU system) was implemented, now the UCs are finally interested in working with transfer students. I hope that the UCs listen to the CSUs on how we have implemented SB 1440 to serve our transfer students.

  5. Frances O'Neill Zimmerman 2 months ago2 months ago

    Calling all University of California campuses "world-class" does not mean over-enrolled and cosseted UCSD, UCLA and UC Berkeley should be allowed to stand aloof from requirements that permit properly-prepared California community college students to transfer into UC for the last half of undergraduate education. These three UC campuses already enroll too many out-of-state and foreign students while in-state qualified UC candidates are shunted elsewhere. Attention to this scandal is … Read More

    Calling all University of California campuses “world-class” does not mean over-enrolled and cosseted UCSD, UCLA and UC Berkeley should be allowed to stand aloof from requirements that permit properly-prepared California community college students to transfer into UC for the last half of undergraduate education. These three UC campuses already enroll too many out-of-state and foreign students while in-state qualified UC candidates are shunted elsewhere. Attention to this scandal is long overdue: striving children of California taxpayers matter across the system.

    Community-college-to-UC-transfer is the epitome of the idealistic promise of equity and inclusion embodied in California’s Master Plan for Higher Education. Therefore the system by which qualified California community college students enter the UC system should be streamlined systemwide with no UC campus carve-outs.

    Community colleges should be counseling their UC transfer aspirants to ensure understanding about about academic course requirements and the high-bar GPA. UCs also should be prepared to counsel community college transfer students on the change. .When community-college-to-UC transfers and processes are transparent, routinized and regularized across the entire UC system, students in particular and our society in general will be much better served.

  6. Jim 2 months ago2 months ago

    Encouraging transfers to UC is a great idea. Some community colleges, such as Santa Monica, have excellent success in moving students into the UC system. It's a much better idea to have a transfer system based on completed work than it is to admit candidates to the UC as freshmen if there questions about their potential for success. Fewer freshman admits and more transfers will be a more efficient use of resources and give more … Read More

    Encouraging transfers to UC is a great idea. Some community colleges, such as Santa Monica, have excellent success in moving students into the UC system. It’s a much better idea to have a transfer system based on completed work than it is to admit candidates to the UC as freshmen if there questions about their potential for success. Fewer freshman admits and more transfers will be a more efficient use of resources and give more people an opportunity for success. I would also suggest priority admission to UC grad schools to people who have done outstanding work at the Cal State level.